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Jack D

There's only one important question concerning the attacks, did the US gov't allow/participate in 9/11?

The answer to that query would explain the illegal wire-taps, suspension of habeas corpus, banning of books like "America Deceived" from Amazon, detaining of dissenters in fences miles away from events, and multiple wars based on lies.

How can the gov't be innocent in 9/11 when we have caught it lying so many times (WACO, Ruby Ridge, no WMDs, USS Liberty, Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, ETC.)?

In law, if you determine a person lies ONCE during his testimony, it can be assumed that he lied in the remainder of his testimony. How come we do not hold the gov't to the same standard as it holds us to?

The gov't lied to us about Iraq and more Americans have died there than in 9/11. If the gov't lied about Iraq then why is everyone so reluctant to believe that the gov't lied about 9/11?

Final link (before Stark County District Library bends to pressure and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0

Patrick

Nuclear war and the plan to go ahead with a full scale immolation of the human race, is the reason for the continuing intervention into our world by the still unknown high level powers, that we refer to as "ET."
Our nuclear war fighting elite have already pulled the nuclear "Trigger" on us, several times over the decades.
We only exist due to the continuing intervention of the Extraterrestrial powers.
We are the "Living Dead."

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Robert

The time for recollections on the past and their events. One must, without contemplation react to these horrors, given the state in which we find ourselves in. Too understand is one matter, to take thoughtful, well evaluated direct action aginst those responsible, wherever or whoever they portray themselves as, is without doubt, a moral and humanistic duty.
Should you be one of those individuals whose location permits direct action or intervention, it is your duty to mankind to implement such without delay.

Patriot Militia

Jews did 911 and all world wars. If the conference does not have a banner out front stating that Jews did 911 and that the Holocaust is a Jew extortion hoax they have hijacked the conference.
www.Jew-Crime.com
Name the Jackals of war: JEWS

Rabbit

Patriot Militia.
Thanks for trying to discredit everyone here and bring this article into disrepute. Professional shills who employ blatantly transparent tactics such as to make such a wrong and bigotted comment, are not unknown to us. I advise the owner of this site to remove this guy's posts, he is not real but a paid shill.

Nobody except a few small minded bigots with few real ideas about 9/11 claim "Jews did it" Though it is a favorite tactic of the faith brigade to point out people in 9/11 truth who believe such garbage. The informed and honest person knows full well that ZIONISTS, Jews as well as Gentiles, were deeply involved in foreknowledge and the actual events of the day.

Also Larry Silverstein, a Jew, was obviously very much involved, but once again the distinguishing factor is not his religion, which is probably in name only like most Jews, who are secular, it is his Zionist credentials, which are considerable. There are many Jews who speak out against Zionism and its evil and who would agree fully that Zionists were involved in 9/11, this alone relegates your words to false generalisation.

I doubt you are even a 9/11 truth activist. My guess is we just heard about all you have to say on the matter.

Antares

I'm gratified that 6 years down the line, those who question the official 9/11 conspiracy theory are not only gaining credibility and resolve, their numbers are visibly and swiftly increasing. Stumbling across blogs such as this one is most reassuring and I thank you for your excellent work. FYI there's a massive amount of incriminating data on 9/11 accumulated on my blog. Just google it for 9/11 posts! Truth must triumph.

Tim Manning

How can the gov't be innocent in 9/11 when we have caught it lying so many times (WACO, Ruby Ridge, no WMDs, USS Liberty, Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, ETC.)?
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You forgot the Oklahoma City bombing and the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. There are lots I know, but these are big ones too where there is overwhelming evidence that the FBI and the BATF organized, carried out the bombings, and blamed them on patsies.

DOVE

Tania's Head


http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1376391dFdXYZSa

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/29/nyregion...agewanted=print
September 29, 2007
About New York
Tales of Love and Terror, With Very Few Facts
By JIM DWYER
Lillian and Julia, best friends as girls, giggled secrets through sleepovers, rolled their eyes as teenagers, and never lost touch. Lillian grew up to be a writer of plays and the lover of another great writer. Julia, a wealthy heiress, became a fighter in the Austrian resistance to the Nazis and the lover of a resistance leader.

Then one day, Julia, tough and resourceful and living in Vienna, turned for help to Lillian, high-strung and pampered, living in luxury’s lap. And the story of how Lillian smuggled $50,000 to Julia, money that would save people from the Nazis, was told in the best-selling memoir of that Lillian: Lillian Hellman. It became an acclaimed movie called “Julia,” a portrayal of friendship at its most towering.

All their lives, Julia tells Lillian, “You can do it.”

In our time, Tania Head has told a story every bit as rich and irresistible as Hellman’s, set at the World Trade Center on 9/11. It goes like this: Badly burned in the attack, Ms. Head was handed a wedding ring by a dying man who asked her to bring it to his family. As she descended from the 78th floor of the south tower, she was sustained by the mental image of the white dress that she was to wear at her own wedding to Dave — her fiancé, who, at that very moment, was trapped in the other tower.

Ms. Head’s account appeared in newspaper and magazine articles. She led an organization for survivors, gave tours at the 9/11 Tribute Center to everyone from ordinary tourists to Rudolph W. Giuliani.

Whether from Lillian Hellman’s pen or Tania Head’s mouth, in Europe during World War II or Lower Manhattan in 2001, the mythic power of the stories was the same. Love had given Hellman and Ms. Head the strength to transcend terrors.

The similarities do not end there.

Neither story has any verifiable link to reality.

For personal reasons, Lillian Hellman wrote, she could not give Julia’s true name. For the safety of people who had fought the Nazis, she said, she would not disclose — even in the 1970s, three full decades after the Nazis had been crushed — the identity of a baker’s family in Alsace that had been entrusted with Julia’s baby daughter. Even the funeral home on a London street that received Julia’s body after she was slashed to death in Austria could not be located: The building had been destroyed in a bombing blitz. Thus, another lost detail.

Apart from the identity of dead people like her lover, the writer Dashiell Hammett, the sole particular to emerge from this stirring history rendered by Lillian Hellman was one name: Lillian Hellman.

The story told by Tania Head has been similarly shrouded. Dave, the fiancé lost in the north tower, has never been publicly identified, and his relatives have said they never heard of Ms. Head. Neither was the family of the man whose wedding ring she said she carried out of the south tower. The names she did provide — of her employer, and her colleges — turned out to be not much help, since neither job nor schools had any record of her existence. A report in The New York Times on Thursday described extensive efforts to verify her story. It could not be.

Like Lillian Hellman before her, Ms. Head — whether her story turns out to have any links to factuality — had stepped forward to satisfy, at least temporarily, the hunger for redemption amid destruction. She gave the people in the bleachers what they wanted: a connection to the horror, and a way out.

The glaze of myth has encrusted Sept. 11 almost from the morning the buildings fell, some of it based in fact, some in fabrication, some in ignorance. Among the relics collected soon afterward by the Smithsonian Institution was a cellphone thought to have been used that day by Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, a meaningful artifact because he held it while rallying the city. Much later, investigations revealed — against the wishes of the current city administration — how government communication networks had failed at almost every level during the emergency, dooming civilians with bad information and firefighters with none.

The loss of illusions does not have to be deflating or dispiriting; some 9/11 myths turn out to be nothing more than empty calories, compared with the truth. People really did escape from the high floors of the south tower, 18 of them.

Even without Tania Head, they gave powerful witness to actual people who were hurt and others who died trying to help. And whether Hellman’s “Julia” existed or not, there was an American heiress who bravely resisted the Nazis in Austria. She managed to escape. Her name was Muriel Gardiner. She never met Lillian Hellman.

E-mail: dwyer@nytimes.com

DOVE

Amazing! In 2003, the hijackers remains were found! Were the able to contact a next of kin???


CNN LIVE ON LOCATION

Remains of 9/11 Hijackers Have Been Found

Aired February 27, 2003 - 14:56 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: On a day when New York is celebrating finalized plans to rebuild the World Trade Center Towers, New York medical examiners have identified the remains of two of the 9/11 hijackers.
Our Jamie Colby is live in New York with more on the story.

JAMIE COLBY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Daryn, good afternoon. It had become important to the families of the 9/11 victims not to have any unidentified remains of their loved ones commingled with the remains of the hijackers in the event that those unidentified remains were made part of a World Trade Center memorial. The positive identification, and more importantly, the separation of those remains by the New York City medical examiner of the two hijackers is according to New York Governor Pataki something that the families of the World Trade Center attack victims deserve.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. GEORGE PATAKI ®, NEW YORK: I think it's important that the remains that are relocated to ground zero are the remains of the heroes who died and not of those evil murderers. And I'm pleased that the medical examiner has been able to identify some of their remains so they can go rot in hell, not as part of our tribute to the heroes we lost.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COLBY: The identification also represents a critical finding for the FBI according to Dr. Lawrence Kobelinski. He is a noted forensic scientist and professor of forensic at New York's John J. College of Criminal Justice.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LAWRENCE KOBILINSKY: The fact that we're now able to make a match of these individuals, these hijackers is very significant. Because this is the first time that we can actually absolutely identify them as the hijackers.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COLBY: The matched data could also, Daryn, be used to help further the overall investigation into Al Qaeda terrorist activities by creating a DNA trail involving these two hijackers.

KAGAN: Very interesting. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KOBILINSKY: Now we have their genetics and we can actually use this information to follow them. Where have they been in the past? Perhaps we can hook them up to other individuals. Where have they been? Who have they been in touch with? Who have they touched? Who have they been in contact with? In fact, perhaps the FBI now needs to establish a database.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COLBY: And the goal of DNA testing, Daryn, remains to matched cells as quickly and accurately as possible. Technology is advancing at a rapid pace. In particular, the doctor is testing equipment in his lab that will allow scientists and investigators to go to crime scenes with the equipment and make matches in as little as ten minutes. In addition, some technology that's being used in England right now, called low impact numbers technology of DNA testing is allowing accurate verification of IDs in as little as the 10 minutes, but also with a single-cell match. That is a very small amount of DNA, smaller than anything that we here in the United States are able to use. The Dr. Kobilinsky says the future could hold the FBI perhaps using that technology -- Daryn.

KAGAN: It will be fascinating to track.

Jamie Colby, in New York, thank you so much. A ton of questions but we are out of time for this hour.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0302/27/lol.06.html

A former New York City official pleaded guilty Tuesday to stealing millions of government dollars, some of which were intended to help identify victims of the September 11, 2001, attacks, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office.
Former NYC Official Stole 9/11 Funds
http://september11news.net/2007/11/01/form...unds-cnncom-10/

In shocking news, it is being reported that a former NYC official has admitted to stealing 9/11 funds.

According to the US Attorney's Office the money was supposed to be used to help fund efforts to identify human remains of people who were killed on 9/11, but Natarajan R. Venkataram had other ideas for the money.

He pleaded guilty to embezzlement, money laundering and conspiracy charges before the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Michael J. Garcia.

He is currently being held in prison in New York.

Venkataram "pled guilty because he is guilty, and he wanted to do the right thing. He feels terribly about what he did," said his lawyer Alan Seidler.

If the government has their way, Venkataram will spend 20 years in jail for what he did.

For 13 years, Venkataram served as the director of New York's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner. Following 9/11, the Federal Emergency Management Agency provided the office with money to partly be used to help pay for identifying victims of the attack through lab tests.

Instead of using the money for what it was meant for, Venkataram along with another employee Rosa Abreu ,sent much of it to companies that did not even exist.

Abreu pleaded guilty to the same charges as Venkataram last week.
http://www.dogflu.ca/10312007/13/former_ny...tole_9/11_funds

New York, December 29, 2005
Harish Chandar

NRI Venkataram was released on a $1million bail secured by $400,000 in cash by Judge Andrew Peck. He is confined with electronic monitoring to the home of a co-signer, and as per bail terms will be permitted to leave the house only to attend court proceedings. Judge Andrew Peck first denied bail to Abreu, a Dominican native but later granted bail at $400,000.

US Attorney's office filed charges against him and a colleague for allegedly siphoning of more than $10 million allotted by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. The prosecution said, Venkataram transferred $5.5 million from those funds to bank accounts in India. OCME obtained millions of dollars from FEMA that were specifically earmarked for the purchase of computer hardware, software applications and support services.

OCME's employee who first reported the scam to Stephan Zander, Deputy Inspector General for the Department of Investigation at the NYC Department of Health and Mental Hygiene in 2004. Department of Investigation at the NYC found:

CCR issued checks totaling more than $90,000 to Infodata Associates Corporation. President of the company was Gisela Abreu, Rosa Brieu's aunt.
CCR, HS Group, and Infotech issued checksmore than $575,000 to A&D Marketing Corporation.
More than $500,000 was paid Trade A2Z. The address of this company was Venkataram's home.
Venkataram floated other companies to show competitive bid to make it appear that there was a competitive bid.
The majority of the money made by did little or no work and were sometimes controlled by the defendants, prosecution said.


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Two NRI arrested for $5.5 million fraud of Sept. 11 victims funds

New York, December 10, 2005
Harish Chandar

NRI, non-resident Indian, Natarajan R. Venkataram, 41, and Rosa Abreu, 38, were arrested for stealing $5.5 million of dollars intended to help identify victims of of Sep. 11 attack of World Trade Center. They transferred these funds to their bank accounts in India.

An official contract worth $11.4 million had been given to help the medical examiner to buy computer hardware, software and support services to identify victims and the dead people. Venkataram and Rosa Abreu, both were administrators in the medical examiner's office and misused their power to steal the funds

Prosecutors claimed the Natarajan R. Venkataram, 41, and Rosa Abreu had diverted millions of dollars to companies, some controlled by them or their associates, which never work or did small jobs.
http://www.nriinternet.com/NRI_Fraud/USA/2...Abreu/index.htm

Jamie Colby
http://www.alwrightpub.com/new_page_12.htm

LAWRENCE KOBILINSKY
http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~science/kobilinsky.htm

Lawrence Kobilinsky
Ph.D. – City University Graduate Center
Professor of Biology and Immunology
Associate Provost John Jay College
(212) 237-8884

My research interests concern the use of state-of-the-art technology to identify individuals from physiological fluids and tissues, and to associate biological crime scene evidence with a suspect. Forensic DNA analysis has been termed a revolutionary technique which resulted from the ground-breaking work of Drs. Kary Mullis and Alec Jeffries. The technology has evolved ever since.

The late 80’s saw the adoption of RFLP (DNA Fingerprinting) methods by a number of public and private laboratories. The FBI and other Federal, State and County laboratories became keenly interested in the promise of this technology. There was a clear transition from protein analysis to nucleotide analysis, the latter being far superior because of a greater degree of polymorphism that exists at various genetic loci within the genome. During the early 90's, the expensive and time consuming RFLP procedure has been supplanted by the use of analyses of evidence that had been amplified by the Polymerase Chain Reaction technology to generate large quantities of genetic material from, often, miniscule amounts of evidence found at crime scenes. The amplified DNA can then be tested using a variety of different methods such as reverse dot blot procedures, gel or capillary electrophoresis.

Currently, my research is focused on single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) detection and on sequencing technology. Although SNP analysis is not yet performed by forensic laboratories, it is in many ways far superior to the current widely used PCR-STR analysis. The forensic biology laboratory at John Jay boasts all the necessary equipment to perform all types of forensic DNA analysis. This equipment includes ABI-Prism sequencers (310 and 377), the latter being a gel electrophoresis instrument and the former being a capillary electrophoresis instrument. It also includes an ABI Taqman for real time PCR studies as well as SNP detection. SNP detection is also accomplished with a Transgenomic Wave instrument. The laboratory is also equipped with an Agilent system which features the latest chip technology for human identification. The Lab on a Chip uses micro-capillary electrophoresis followed by gene scanning to accomplish identification.


All Contents © Copyright 2002, Science Department, John Jay College
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Now, did you really do that work with millions of dollars missing?

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How are scientists faring in their painstaking efforts to identify all the victims - often from tiny fragments and using revolutionary DNA testing methods?

In the hunt for the terrorist networks responsible for the attacks, how much do the intelligence services know?

How effective are the anti-terrorism measures being adopted in the United States and throughout the west?

Your put your questions to our guests, ABC News military and security analyst John Hillen, BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner and a forensic science expert, Dr Lawrence Kobilinsky, Professor of Forensic Science, John Jay College of Criminal Justice


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/world/2002/september_11_one_year_on/2239267.stm#1


David Howard

google: we got nuked on 9/11

td

is fraud pre/post 911. public should be interested in who and how technology abuse is conducted at public expense by malcolm tombs emjployee of the cia {and foriegn intelligence source} pre/post911

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